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Dual- Char or Max KPM

Postby Bj_Knows » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:04 am

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Dual- Char or Max KPM or Two Fisted Raiding

WARNING: This will also lead to sore wrist and elbow if you Max KPM for two weeks in a row. Or wrists and elbows if you are ambidexterous.

Oops. See Little_Mike's warning in next post.

I am posting this unfinished draft for two reasons: A) The World is celebrating the Winter Holidays, and this post may give you more time to spend with your Friends and Loved Ones. B) v1.5 is coming and will totally negate this research.

Requires
v1.4.2 BoH client software
Tablet (iPad or Android Tablet)
3- 4” screen (iPod Touch, iPhone or Android Phone)
9.55k Might Rating War Mage (better with 11k Might Rating)
9.55k Might Rating Justicar or a 2nd War Mage (better with 11k Might Rating)

Recommended
Blessing of Might (Magic & Melee Rating), Fortune (Bonus Silver), Protection (Incoming Attacks Reduced 25%) & Speed (Haste)
War Mage & Justicar wielding two different weapons (Ex: Staff 1.3 & Axe 1.4)
“Vale of the Ice Dragon” Raid (two Phase of Mobs/ Groups & a “Soft” Boss)

Okay
“Forgotten Sentinels” Raid (Phase 3 are fast Mobs/ Groups which have low hit points in v1.4.2)

Setup
Run the War Mage on the Tablet (with the larger screen)
Run the Justicar (or 2nd War Mage) on the 3- 4” screen

Body
If you run two characters at the same time, you will be slower and more prone to mistakes. However, you can be pressing the buttons on the second character while the animation is running or the client software is communicating with the servers for the first character and vice versa. Your average KPM will be +80% to running a single character at one time.

To take advantage of this set up, you will want to alternate button presses between characters as much as possible. Due to initial wait time (if you lose the initial “coin toss”), animation, and server communication you will sometimes have to push two buttons in a row on the same character.

Ex: Flaming Pyre 3 on Tablet, then Radiant Light 3 on 3” screen, then Minor Fire Rune on Tablet, then Seismic Slash 3 on the 3” screen.

If you run one character’s entire Combat Encounter (ce), hit “continue” and then run the other character’s entire Combat Encounter (ce), you will lose all the advantages of this system. Running two character slows down your individual speed and making more mistakes requires you to think how you will recover, but this is more than made up for by being able to run the second character (press buttons) while waiting on the client software for the first character.

The advantage of the Tablet & 3- 4” screen is the ability to distinguish the class of the character without having to examine the character portrait. The different button sizes are also a more reliable visual cue than the upper left Head Shot. If you are running two War Mages, you can use screens of the same size since you will be using the same rotation, but it works better with different size screens.

War Mage vs. Mobs/ Groups(1-4 buttons)
Agatha 11k Might Rating “Storm Fracture” War Mage Build (Gems based on LilAngel character)

Flaming Pyre 3- if crit, done. (Researcher’s Note: do not bother with Fracture).
Minor Fire Rune- if crit, done.
Ice Storm 3- if crit done (even in “Vale of the Ice Dragon”).
as needed, Incinerate 3

Hybrid Justicar vs. Mobs/ Groups (1-4 buttons)
Zeetha 11k Might Rating “Debuff” Justicar Build

Radiant Light 3- if crit, done.
Seismic Slash 3- if crit, done.
Minor Fire Rune- if crit, done.
as needed, Smite 3

This works in v1.4.2 because the Haste Curve and the Crit Power is so biased to the characters leaving the Monsters very vulnerable to set rotations/ sequences.

This works poorly in Onslaught & Raid Bosses since you have to do more thinking and analysis. For those two cases, it is better to complete 5- 10 Combat Encounters (ce) in a row, than switch characters. If you have an Apple Device, use keyboard shortcuts to reduce your login time when switching.
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Re: Dual- Char or Max KPM

Postby Little_Mike » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:30 pm

Please keep in mind that if you are playing two characters at the same time on the same account and you spend Gold Shields, you will desync your Gold Shield bank amounts because it does not keep track of purchases made from other characters.
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Max TVal KPM

Postby Bj_Knows » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:32 pm

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Max TVal KPM

As long ask you keep Little_Mikes warning in mind (Note 1), TVal Wisps really do work better "Two Fisted Raiding" because of the 20 minute time limit. I still need to run each TVal Boss individually.

Note 1)
Little_Mike wrote:Please keep in mind that if you are playing two characters at the same time on the same account and you spend Gold Shields, you will desync your Gold Shield bank amounts because it does not keep track of purchases made from other characters.


Ex: if you spend 300 Gold Shields on Barb and 50 Gold Shields on Zeetha, when you log off, Barb will suddenly be missing 50 gold and Zeetha will suddenly be missing 300 gold. New Players often fail to realize this happened, especially when running a close Gold or Bronze Raid or chasing HoliGob or TVal so they send Venan a customer support email. When I run FS this can be a 200-300 drop in character Gold Shields.
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Re: Dual- Char or Max KPM

Postby Bbbb » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:02 pm

Little_Mike wrote:Please keep in mind that if you are playing two characters at the same time on the same account and you spend Gold Shields, you will desync your Gold Shield bank amounts because it does not keep track of purchases made from other characters.


The balance on the server is correct though, right? Once you logout and back in on your devices, you'll have the right numbers, correct?

I am just wanting to clarify this to people that there is no real harm in doing this - it's just that your devices don't have a current view of bank account.

BTW the same issue applies if you are doing free offers on multiple devices as well.
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Re: Dual- Char or Max KPM

Postby Little_Mike » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:25 pm

Yes, once you resync your characters, you should see the proper amounts.
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Triple- Char or Overdrive KPM

Postby Bj_Knows » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:42 pm

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Triple- Char or Overdrive KPM

You still have to watch out for Little_Mike's warning (Note 1), but after a week of running TVal, I can now run 3 TVal Bosses simultaneously. However, the more TVal Bosses I fight at once, the more likely I will have to spend 5 Gold Shields to Revive after TVal kills one of my character.

Note 1)
Little_Mike wrote:Please keep in mind that if you are playing two characters at the same time on the same account and you spend Gold Shields, you will desync your Gold Shield bank amounts because it does not keep track of purchases made from other characters.


Bj_DWR wrote:New Players often fail to realize this happened, especially when running a close Gold or Bronze Raid or chasing HoliGob or TVal so they send Venan a customer support email. When I run FS this can be a 200-300 drop in character Gold Shields. But as long as you realize this, TVal Wisps really do work better "Two Fisted Raiding" because of the 20 minute time limit. I still need to run each TVal Boss individually.
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Max Were Chef KPM

Postby Bj_Knows » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:01 am

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Max Were Chef KPM

Little_Mike said a future update should take care of his warning (Note 1). Need to check if v1.7 was that update.

Were Chef Lair has a shorter time limit (15 minutes) than TVal Temple (20 minutes) but appears more often (12 times per day) than TVal (8 times per day) for a total of 180 minutes per day for Were Chef versus 160 minutes per day for TVal. You can also Dungeon Bank Were Chef more than TVal since it appears more often. TVal had a maximum Energy Bar of 42 while Were Chef has 50. All of these are balanced by the presents of Elite Mobs. But Two Fisted Raiding and Dungeon Banking (Note 2) should still be the best way to get through Were Chef Mobs.

Note 1)
Little_Mike wrote:Also, if you use currency on one device, it will not sync on the other device until you do a complete resync (logging off and logging back into your character). This is a known issue and will be addressed in a future update.
https://www.venan.com/boh_forum/viewtopic.php?p=17216#p17216


Bj_DWR wrote:Sigh. This leads to so many problems with New Players. Ex: if you spend 300 Gold Shields on Barb and 50 Gold Shields on Zeetha, when you log off, Barb will suddenly be missing 50 gold and Zeetha will suddenly be missing 300 gold. New Players often fail to realize this happened, especially when running a close Gold or Bronze Raid or chasing HoliGob or TVal so they send Venan a customer support email. When I run FS this can be a 200-300 drop in character Gold Shields. But as long as you realize this, TVal Wisps really do work better "Two Fisted Raiding" because of the 20 minute time limit. I still need to run each TVal Boss individually.

Bj_DWR wrote:Subject:
Dual- Char or Max KPM or Two Fisted Raiding

WARNING: This will also lead to sore wrist and elbow if you Max KPM for two weeks in a row. Or wrists and elbows if you are ambidexterous.

Oops. See Little_Mike's warning.


Note 2)
https://www.venan.com/boh_forum/viewtopic.php?p=9070#p9070
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PvP-Dual Char or Max KPM or Two Fisted PvP

Postby Bj_Knows » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:01 am

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PvP-Dual Char or Max KPM or Two Fisted PvP

I don’t know if they have finished fixing the Gold Shield Currency Bank in v1.7, so Little_Mike’s warning should be remembered. But due to the repetitive nature of Beta PvP, it should be possible to run 2-3 PvP matches at the same time, on different devices, and win all matches. Especially effective if your opponent is a Zombie (Zombie characters are created when a player enters a PvP match, then walking away from their device. After their 20 seconds are up, they will do Basic Attack, and this will repeat, until you kill them.)
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Buying Energy (GS) & Runes (sc) or Syncing 2-Fisted Raiding

Postby Bj_Knows » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:08 am

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Buying Energy/ Resolve (GS) & Runes (sc) or Syncing 2-Fisted Raiding/ PvP Currency Banks

If you are running two characters at the same time,
using two devices (2-Fisted Raiding/ PvP),
*and* they share a Venan ID,
if you use Golden Shields from your Venan ID Currency Bank to buy Energy/ Resolve,
or Silver Coin from your Venan ID Currency Bank to buy Runes,
you will Desync in v1.7.2.

Both characters will report conflicting Currency Bank values to the Server which the Server will resolve by logging out both characters.

A slow, work around is:

Character 1 Logs out (Sync Silver Coin & Gold Shields Total A with Server)

Character 2 purchases a full Energy/ Resolve Refill or full Runes
Character 2 logs out (Sync Silver Coin & Gold Shields Total B with Server)

Character 1 logs in
Character 1 purchases a full Energy/ Resolve Refill or full Runes
Character 1 logs out (Sync Silver Coin & Gold Shields Total C with Server)

Both characters log in and resume 2-Fisted Raiding/ PvP.
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Re: Max TVal KPM

Postby Bj_Knows » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:23 pm

Note to Bj: update this. Venan has fixed Little_Mike's warning. If your Gold Shields do not match, you will get a Resync warning. To avoid a Resync, buy epots in Temple and rpots in PvP Store instead of spending raw gold, even 1 GS for 3e.

Bj_Knows wrote:Subject
Max TVal KPM

As long ask you keep Little_Mikes warning in mind (Note 1), TVal Wisps really do work better "Two Fisted Raiding" because of the 20 minute time limit. I still need to run each TVal Boss individually.
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