Thoughts from me, Salad

[Mr_Op]

Building off of Illy

-Make SQ phase 2 mob OS would be interesting to see it at a higher level.

-Make p4 Lob 200 waves of OS as well.

[dragondreamer]

Awww.......but my justicars LOVE p4! Good fun, but I realise not everyone agrees. Put p4 in earlier maybe?

[InsertNameHere]

P4 was always my favourite LoB. I'd hit P1, wait out 2 & 3, and come back for 4. FW and Justi cards might be the reason.

[Mr_Op]

just gonna bump my ideas for kal

[Lamorack]

Re Lob. I do agree wholeheartedly that this is the best raid in the game and yet also the least raided since guardian valor came along. I too enjoy p4. That said, it is too long sadly.

Overall, I would support either the suggestion made or even just a general 15-20% reduction in all phase lengths.

As to TSR, I have (mostly) enjoyed dying to get better, but again, if a new valor level comes out, I fear the challenge will be outweighed by the difficulty in most people’s eyes. Again, some shortening of p3 would be in order at that point as suggested.

I do believe that KFS is out of proportion in its rewards as shown by its use to boost individual and guild weekly scores. I would downscale the payouts and rewards. Doing so would help to reinvigorate Lob and keep SQ relevant I think.

Finally, the raid that no one has mentioned (if I missed it sorry) is PM. This is a trudge at the best of times and to my mind the least enjoyable raid yet: LOB without the OS or challenge. Perhaps make P3 OS? Alternatively, halve P2 and insert an OS phase to compensate?

[Illy_the_Red]

PM is only a trudge because of the general reduction in player numbers overall. It should be a decently quick raid but drags to bronze far too often. Too many people just bail on it once it gets to P2/3 unless they are hunting shadows (or pure essence).

KFS I don’t mind either way whether it gives HS or not. Feels like it’s being abused though like the problem with CoC many moons ago.

Would definitely like LoB changed as people simply don’t run it as is. P4 is way too long and is usually abandoned by most as it comes after OS, and P1 also has too many waves. We all know why people do raids like KFS and (would) do LoB - it’s not to grind a long mob phase.

WoF has largely fell by the wayside as it’s an easy jump to Captain’s valour and KFS. A number of raids can now be largely bypassed completely - the might reqs are now so close together that it’s rendered many Champions/Captains raids skippable, as well as Crystallised Vengeance. That’s not to mention lower Soldier raids that are bypassed too. It used to be more of a challenge to get to the might for the next raid. I remember having the might to run CK but not Vale and having to raid a lot to boost up to that might.