Dodge & Block add (PvP Secret)

Have something to say about Book of Heroes? Post it here!

Dodge & Block add (PvP Secret)

Postby Bj_Knows » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:14 pm

Subject
Do Dodge & Block add?

The Devs have never stated on the forums, if Dodge and Block add.

Update (Thank you Sigèé)
EricM wrote:They're additive lol. Don't be doubting my math ;) it's one of those little known boh pvp secrets. Confirmed with Dave a few weeks ago. I thought the same way you did until I realized seismic hits me a lot less often than 24% of the time through defends.
. . .
Think of it as a d100 roll. With 50% dodge and 30% block, the roll happens something like 1-50 = dodge, 51-80 = block, 81-100 = hit
https://www.venan.com/boh_forum/viewtopic.php?p=36314#p36314


Even if they are supposed to, do they actually work that way in the code?

Here is one experiment you could try:

Inquisitor fighting a Level 11 monster with the following:

Heavy Shield 24%
+Shield Focus rank 3 (12%)
+Dodge 20% Potion (VS Monsters only)
+Block Enchant rank 3 * 3 gear * 0.8%
+Dodge 36.8%, or higher, versus Level 11 monster (requires a Dodge rating of 780 or higher)
= 100% Dodge+ Block

If you don’t kill the Level 11 monster with your first hit, every attack by the Level 11 monster should be a Dodge or a Block.

Data
Level 11
Dodge rating 40
percentage 9.94%
OLC= 323.89
Dodge percentage = 5+ (45 * Dodge rating / (Dodge rating + 323.89))
Dodge rating 780 versus Level 11 monster = 36.8%
Volunteer- donating BLOOD to Red Cross, SWEAT to Forums.

Bj_Knows

AKA
GM= Things Guilds Were Not Meant to Know
Bj_DWR
BjKnows
Gryphonknight= Ingress, Pokemon, Empires & Puzzles (& Miikeeyy)
CEO of Bee jay Industries
Bj_the_SPOON
BjofCJandBj
User avatar
Bj_Knows
Moderator
 
Posts: 2415
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:13 am

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Sigèé_ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:16 pm

Why would you think dodge and block would add like that? I would expect a roll for one then a roll for the other. So, for example, at 50% each, there's a 25% chance that you get hit. Ouch!

P.S. I think this could be the first post of yours that I actually understand ;-)
Sigèé_
 
Posts: 6
Joined: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:23 pm

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Illy_the_Red » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:46 am

Eric worked this out once and was pretty convinced they were additive. That was why he used 1H + shield in pvp on his SW and was very successful with it.
Illy_the_Red
 
Posts: 1587
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:49 pm

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Kenner » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:03 am

Im for the two separate rolls, it just makes the most sense. Can't Block something that is dodged right. So a shield SW in safeguard would have about 65% dodge and 37% Block. Which would result in 21-22% chance of a hit getting through
Kenner
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:21 pm

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Illy_the_Red » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:32 am

Kenner wrote:Im for the two separate rolls, it just makes the most sense. Can't Block something that is dodged right. So a shield SW in safeguard would have about 65% dodge and 37% Block. Which would result in 21-22% chance of a hit getting through


That does make sense, that might be what he meant. Was a long time ago he explained it somewhere. I remember him saying if your dodge + block + defend could be high enough, there was no chance of not either dodging or blocking an opponent (if defending).
Illy_the_Red
 
Posts: 1587
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:49 pm

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Bbbb » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:46 am

Illy_the_Red wrote:Eric worked this out once and was pretty convinced they were additive. That was why he used 1H + shield in pvp on his SW and was very successful with it.


Eric did confirm this with the DEVs. There is a thread somewhere he discusses it.
Bbbb
 
Posts: 2070
Joined: Thu May 31, 2012 11:53 pm

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Jumper » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:53 am

They are definitely additive. Eric explained (confirmed by devs), lets say you have 30% dodge and 15% block, there is 1 roll (say the roll is 0-100), If the value is between 0-30 then dodge, if 30-45 then block, 45-100 you are screwed.

For PvP, Eric had something like a 95% dodge or block while defending with his SW. The reason he asked was making it additive makes the tank SW much more powerful.
Jumper
 
Posts: 524
Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:31 am

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Sigèé » Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:49 am

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=7073&p=36313&hilit=additive#p36313

"toys-R-us academy of mathematical illiteracy" LOL
Sigèé
 
Posts: 255
Joined: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:17 pm

Re: Do Dodge & Block add?

Postby Jumper » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:26 pm

hahaha forgot about that!
Jumper
 
Posts: 524
Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:31 am


Return to Discussions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests

cron