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PvP Suggestion- All Class Abilities Available- ARCHIVED

Postby Bj_Knows » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:17 am

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Beta PvP Suggestion- All Class Abilities Available


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PvP Beta Suggestion- Class Abilites in PvP versus PvE
PvP- Fighting Intelligent Opponents and Class Abilities

Overview of Suggestion
When entering PvP, all characters get all Class Abilities at maximum rank (48 ability points at Tier 4),
This would speed up PvP,
This would let players experiment with Class Abilities,
This would improve data mining results for balancing Class Abilities.

Body of Suggestion ( including supporting arguments )

Dear Venan,

Justicar Galadriel was created in BoH version 1.0. Galadriel was build from Day 1 for PvE. Galadriel has two Specs, and still does poorly in PvP.

Justicar Shamrock was created in October of 2013. Shamrock was built from Day 1 for PvP. Shamrock has a single Spec, and does pretty good in PvP, and okay in PvE. Shamrock cannot win any RPP Races, but she can easily use as much Energy as she wants before a Raid is over.

Dual Spec, and Class Abilities, is not the only factor in winning PvP.

Winning in PvP is a combination of Gear, Gems, Tomes, Enchants and Class Abilities. Spec 2 allows you to quickly change Gem, Gear and Enchants. If you have a second set of Gear, but use the same Gems for PvP and PvE, you do not need Spec 2. Just manually swap your PvE Gear for your PvP Gear. Dual Spec is not the only factor in winning PvP.

Since it is very hard to build a character that cannot Raid, building a character around PvP has many advantages. One of these advantages is better performance from a Single Spec build. Spec 2 allows you to change your Class Abilities for free, but only between two sets. If both sets are poor in PvP, having two sets will not help. Dual Spec is not the only factor in winning PvP.

Unlike PvE, PvP is fighting an intelligent opponent, If you build your character for PvP from Day 1, Strategy ( Gems, Tomes & Enchants ) is more important than Tactics ( Class Abilities ). Dual Spec is not the only factor in winning PvP.

To level the PvP playing field, but still give an advantage to good PvP Specs, and Dual Specs, automatically give all characters all Class Abilities at maximum rank. With Tier 4 Class Abilities, this would be the equivalent of 48 ability points. Class Abilites would return to normal upon leaving PvP.

Ex: Justicar zeetha in PvE has weapon focus rank 0, entering PvP would automatically raise all Class Abilities to maximum, so Zeetha would get Weapon Focus rank p3. War Mage Agatha in PvE has Snap Cast rank p1, entering PvP would automatically raise it to Snap Cast rank p3.

PvP Spec characters would still have an advantage in Gems & Enchants during Bouts,
Spec 2 still lets you very quickly change Gems between PvE and PvP,
Spec 2 is still very useful for all Bosses and maximizing effectiveness against PvE mobs/ Seasonal mobs,
So this change would have a minimal affect on purchasing Dual Spec.

As an added Bonus, this would speed up PvP.



Tier Option
In this variant, characters must be Level 6 to get all Tier 2 Class Abilities at maximum rank, Level 11 for Tier 3, and Level 16 for Tier 4.

Ex: A Justicar would need to be Level 16+ before getting Backswing rank p3 automatically when entering PvP.



Business Note:
This would also return the best results for data mining when trying to balance the Class Abilities, especially low proc Abilities like Snap Cast. Since the data would reflect the same Class Ability ranks, and ability points, across all data points.

This would allow players to experiment with Class Abilities, for free, increasing players knowledge. With increased knowledge, players could make more informed decisions when choosing Class Abilities, leading to greater customer satisfaction with game, more play time, and more willingness to buy Respect Tokens. This ability to experiment with Class Abilities for free, would also be an incentive to try PvP, even if you character ends up losing the Bout.
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Re: PvP- Intelligent Opponent & Class Abilities- SPAM warnin

Postby JЭDÎ » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:27 pm

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Re: PvP- Intelligent Opponent & Class Abilities

Postby Possessed_Mithrid » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:29 pm

JêdìKñïght wrote:Who out there understands this? Join FizzBears.


its a parable...if you are humble before the SpoonFather he will make the sayings of BJ clear to you...
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Re: PvP- Intelligent Opponent & Class Abilities- SPAM warnin

Postby Citlec » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:37 pm

JêdìKñïght wrote:Who out there understands this? Join FizzBears.

If you played Guild Wars 2, BJ is suggesting something close

From what i understood, BJ is suggesting to give all ability to PvP players for the duration of the match, thus removing any difference in builds.
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